A Conversation w/ Historian/ Author Lawrence Ross About Project 2025

In a compelling episode of Hard Knock Radio, host Davey D converses with historian and author Lawrence Ross. Ross, best known for his award-winning books “The Divine Nine: The History of African American Fraternities and Sororities” and “Blackballed: The Black and White Politics of Race on America’s Campuses,” brings his extensive knowledge and experience to the discussion. Drawing from his work and personal history, Ross provides insightful commentary on various pressing issues. Here are the five main points from their conversation:

Lawrence Ross, who has been a college lecturer since 2000, discussed the historical and current state of campus politics, emphasizing the struggles of marginalized students. He highlighted systemic oppression and the critical need to address these issues thoughtfully. The conversation also explored how student protests are often misinterpreted, especially regarding minority groups and the distinction between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism. The importance of understanding individualism, the rise of authoritarianism, and the hero’s journey in storytelling were also touched upon.

Adaptability, Critical Thinking, and Authoritarianism

Ross underscored the necessity of adaptability and critical thinking in preserving democracy, using South American history as a case study on the dangers of authoritarian regimes. He warned of the consequences of government control over artistic and publishing expressions, which could suppress dissent and violate fundamental rights. Additionally, the dialogue included personal anecdotes about growing up in Los Angeles, contrasting the experiences of those from affluent areas with those from less privileged backgrounds.

Repressive Measures, Project 2025, and Jim Crow Policies

The conversation warned against the normalization of repressive measures by authorities and the concept of a “nicification of America.” Ross discussed Project 2025, likening it to apartheid, and warned about the romanticization of past hardships. He stressed the importance of recognizing the continued impact of Jim Crow-style segregation and racially motivated policies, urging immediate action against these issues to prevent a future under a right-wing authoritarian government. He emphasized that the goal should be organizing for a better future, not merely surviving oppressive conditions.

Black History, Power, and Strategic Thinking

Ross highlighted the significance of black individuals standing up to power, citing the strategic contributions of Charles Houston, Thurgood Marshall, and Ella Baker to black history. He discussed the Mississippi Health Project’s connection to the Black Panther Party and criticized the narrow definitions of black identity. Ross urged for clear strategies to combat white supremacy and expressed concern over the transactional mindset of the current generation, arguing that wealth and privilege do not necessarily equate to success.

Examining Policies and Inequities in Education

The effects of policies like the William Jarvis Tax Revolt and the Fair Housing Act on different communities were examined, with a focus on their negative impact on school funding and public services in black and Latino neighborhoods. The conversation delved into the legacy of school segregation and its ongoing implications for education and opportunities. Ross emphasized the unintended consequences of authoritarian regimes on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) and the crucial importance of educational choice.